Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Eruption of Mount Marapi Mount Marapi erupts (pictured) on the island of Sumatra in Indonesia, killing 23 hikers. Former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger dies at the age of 100. All 41 workers trapped in a road tunnel collapse in Uttarakhand, India, are rescued after 17 days underground. In motorcycle racing, Francesco Bagnaia wins the MotoGP World Championship. The novel Prophet Song by Paul Lynch wins the Booker Prize. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Myanmar civil war Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline War in Sudan Recent deaths: Norman Lear Michèle Rivasi Maria Martin Juanita Castro Yacouba Sawadogo Glenys Kinnock view — page history — related changes — edit

How to nominate an item In order to suggest a candidate: Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so. Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense. Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page. There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. Headers Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active. Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header. Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do... Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit. Please do not... Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive. Suggesting updates A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways: Simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section. More complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.

December 7

Portal:Current events/2023 December 7
December 7, 2023 (2023-12-07) (Thursday)

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December 6

Portal:Current events/2023 December 6

December 6, 2023 (2023-12-06) (Wednesday) Arts and culture American singer Taylor Swift is named Time magazine's 2023 Person of the Year. (TIME) Disasters and accidents 2023 Guyana–Venezuela crisis A Guyana Defence Force helicopter goes missing while on a border operation near the Venezuelan border. (Newsday) Law and crime Crime in Belgium Four people are injured in a shooting on Avenue de la Toison d’Or, a shopping street in Brussels, Belgium. The incident is being investigated as gang-related. (Politico) Russian invasion of Ukraine Former People's Deputy of Ukraine Illia Kyva, who defected to Russia in March 2022, is found dead in Moscow Oblast. (Meduza) Mass shootings in the United States 2023 University of Nevada, Las Vegas shooting Three people are fatally shot and the alleged gunman is dead following a mass shooting at University of Nevada, Las Vegas, United States. (ABC News) International relations War in Sudan U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken accuses the Rapid Support Forces and Sudanese Armed Forces of war crimes during the war, with the former also being accused of crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing. (CNN) Politics and elections 118th United States Congress Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy announces he will resign from the United States House of Representatives at the end of the year. (CBS News)

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RD: Illia Kyva

Article: Illia Kyva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Assassinated in a Moscow suburb today, possibly by the SBU. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The biography section has a lot of uncited info.

LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support there are some CN tags, but overall relatively RD-ready. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Not Ready The biography section is entirely unsourced and there are other gaps in the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Norman Lear

Article: Norman Lear (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Masem (t) 14:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks pretty good, but it has a few too many citation needed tags to be ready just yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD: I've dealt with the citation tags (added refs and removed some transaction details I couldn't verify and which were extraneous anyway). Additionally support blurb as a transformative figure in US television: "revolutionized prime time television ... propelling political and social turmoil into the once-insulated world of TV sitcoms" (AP); "leaving a lasting mark with shows that brought the sitcom into the real world" (NYT); "It's impossible to overstate the importance of television producer Norman Lear to American culture ... For at least one generation, television doesn’t exist without Lear's singular vision" (WaPo). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  It would be really help to have a paragraph or so specifically talking about his influence on TV, perhaps inthe Awards and Honors section, as to be able to support a blurb. I should be able to clearly identify why he was such an influence on American TV buy reading such a sourced section in the body of the article (I know he is that influential but we need to see that plain and clear) Masem (t) 19:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  On it... Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Masem: OK, begun this para at Norman Lear § Awards and honors. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  Definitely a good start Masem (t) 21:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD but oppose blurb. Article is cited well enough but I personally don't think he meets notability for blurb ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD nice article. Polyamorph (talk) 20:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2023 Time Person of the year

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Article: Taylor Swift (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ TIME Magazine makes Taylor Swift Person of the year (Post)
News source(s): https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift
Credits:

• Nominated by lukt64 (talk · give credit)

• Oppose I don’t believe we’ve blurbed Person of the Year in recent memory, and I don’t see any special reason to start it now, especially when this one has had less of a definitive global impact than past awardees. The Kip 19:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Kip. A magazine saying "hey, you're slightly better than everyone else" is not ITN worthy qw3rty 20:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Kip ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - even the year it was me, hi im the person of the year it wasnt really news. nableezy - 20:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose no way. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support TIME's person of the year is always major worldwide news. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per the Kip, plus this is only one magazine and wouldn't be that notable even if we had posted it before. Editor 5426387 (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - good for her, but we never post this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - We never blurb Person of the Year, and she's been far less influential than most before. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 22:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is exactly what we are talking about when we say "celebrity news". DarkSide830 (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above JM (talk) 22:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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December 5

Portal:Current events/2023 December 5

December 5, 2023 (2023-12-05) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Israeli troops and tanks enter Khan Yunis in the south of the Gaza Strip. Displaced families in the region are heading further south to Rafah, a town on the Egyptian border. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) More than 100 people are killed in strikes near the Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza, as Israeli forces encircle the medical facility in use as a shelter. Witnesses say anyone attempting to leave was being shot at by Israeli snipers. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Israel–Lebanon border conflict A Lebanese soldier is killed and three others are injured by Israeli shelling in Odaisseh, southern Lebanon. (Reuters) At the Gulf Cooperation Council summit, Qatari prime minister Al Thani calls for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy The DAX achieves a new record high, increasing by 0.78%, surpassing the previous record from July. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 eruption of Mount Marapi More bodies are found by rescuers on the slopes of Mount Marapi in West Sumatra, Indonesia, bringing the death toll from Sunday's volcanic eruption to 23. (AP) Seventeen people are killed when a bus falls into a ravine in Hamtic, Antique, Philippines. (AFP via Malay Mail) Fourteen people are killed and 32 others are injured when a double-decker bus veers off the road and crashes into a tree in Prachuap Khiri Khan, Thailand. (AP) Ten people are killed when a bus falls into a ravine after crashing into a bridge near Tegucigalpa, Honduras. (Reuters via The Straits Times) The Pacific Northwest of the United States experiences an atmospheric river, with record-breaking rainfall reported in Washington and Oregon. One person is killed by flooding in Portland, Oregon. (AP) (CNN) Health and environment New Zealand conservationists announce the first birth of kiwi birds in the wild area around Wellington in over a century. (AFP via The Manila Times) International relations Diplomatic impact of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war Israel–United States relations The U.S. State Department announces visa restrictions for extremist Israeli settlers involved in violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. (AFP via RFI) Rwanda–United Kingdom relations Rwanda asylum plan Rwanda and the United Kingdom sign a treaty in Kigali, Rwanda, on the relocation of asylum seekers to Rwanda. The new treaty will also see British lawyers stationed in Rwandan courts. (BBC News) Law and crime Alberto Fujimori's arrest and trial The Constitutional Court of Peru orders the release of former President Alberto Fujimori, who is serving a 25-year prison sentence for crimes against humanity, reinstating a previously revoked pardon on humanitarian grounds. (AFP via France 24) Ecuadorian security crisis The National Assembly approves the Private Security and Surveillance Law, aimed at strengthening and regulating security companies to combat the country's rising crime rates. (Xinhua)

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Cyclone Michaung

Article: Cyclone Michaung (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Atleast 17 deaths have been reported after Cyclone Michaung makes violent landfall in the south-eastern coast of India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 17 people have been killed after Cyclone Michaung makes violent landfall.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Cyclone Michaung makes violent landfall, leaves Chennai flooded and 17 dead.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At least 17 people are killed as Cyclone Michaung makes landfall in India.
News source(s): https://indianexpress.com/article/india/chennai-rain-death-toll-cyclone-michaung-landfall-andhra-9055801/
Credits:

• Nominated by Leoneix (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sleepinthestars (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Leoneix _(talk) 11:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Added an alt-blurb that better follows typical consensus on cyclone blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Considering all 17 deaths were there, would 2023 Chennai floods be a better target article, or should a blurb incorporate it? The Kip 19:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt-blurb III on notability. There is a precedent where we posted a similar death toll in Bangladesh. The article isn't too expansive, however. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 19:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient length. I like alt blurb II the best, tho maybe restructure it a bit, here's my idea: "Cyclone Michaung makes landfall in India, leaving Chennai flooded and 17 dead." LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• FYI. I BOLDly merged the floods page into the cyclone page on account of the fact that they document the same issue and contained more or less the same content. No need to double-link the same event by separately linking the flooding. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: William P. Murphy Jr.

Article: William P. Murphy Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Inventor of the modern blood bag. Thriley (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the copyvio issue in the "Career" section. —M3ATH (See · Say) 19:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Along with the copyright violation tag, there's too many problems with the article. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Denny Laine

Article: Denny Laine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LBC, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Founder of two major UK rock bands, The Moody Blues and Wings. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Some sections have tags on them, these need addressing. PS: He also wrote a great song "Say You Don't Mind". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  Probably his best work. There is also a slight question over his birthplace, see Talk:Denny Laine. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support The article is alright, and I think it's good to honor his memory on ITN. His guitar was essential for Wings, and he wrote some very good songs for them. He co-authored Mull of Kintyre, one of the biggest hits in history of the British pop music.Trepang2 (talk) 09:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

UK 1977 Christmas number one, spent nine weeks there, first single to sell over two million copies nationwide. Not many pop hits have featured the Great Highland bagpipe. Although there was Wizzard's 1974 "Are You Ready to Rock?" Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC) p.s. do you know where Laine was born?

• Support Highly notable musician. The article is also looking fine so far except some tags. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 13:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  notability is irrelevant for RD, see the note at the bottom of the pale yellow box JM (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Wait way too many tags and uncited sections right now, must be improved JM (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Does every entry in the "Discography" section need an individual source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Article: Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Despite the fact it's still ongoing, this war reached a stalemate with no major developments for a quite long period, which resulted it to go out of focus. The regular updates of Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 September 2023 – present) consist primarily of reports and claims on run-of-the-mill drone attacks, executed soldiers, pleads for support, minor sanctions and interviews with politicians that are mostly cited with domestic sources (e.g. The Kyiv Independent, The Moscow Times etc.). There haven't been reports on major advances by any side for months, and the timeline tells absolutely nothing about the current battles on the front. It's clear that even the major English-language media outlets have drastically decreased the number of news articles published about the war, and the systematic reporting from the frontline is gone (for instance, if you take a look at the War in Ukraine category on the BBC, there's only a handful of headlines published over the past few days, which document a story told by a Ukrainian soldier, a warning sent by the US to extend support to Ukraine, the killing of a Russian general and wrapping Christmas gifts for Ukrainian children). Furthermore, a quick glimpse at the Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2023 reveals that more people died from COVID-19 than from attacks in Ukraine during the past week. In the same way as we did with the pandemic, there's a point in time at which we should concede that it doesn't longer serve the purpose of ongoing. Finally, keeping this posted onto ongoing indefinitely would cause problems to blurb a potential major escalation in the future as the opposition would argue that it's already posted. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I swear the moment we pull this from the main page, a new major offensive is going to start up and the news media will be yuking to blare the "BREAKING NEWS" horn again. I'm not saying the timing for this is wrong, it's more that we seem to have a (coincidental) tendency to trigger this anytime we pull something from ongoing. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

The timing for this is wrong. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

What would be a good timing? This event defocussed the COVID-19 pandemic, which was removed from ongoing shortly afterwards, and it was recently defocussed by the Israel-Hamas war. That's simply how the media work. US not approving additional funding to Ukraine partly because they had begun supporting Israel is just a demonstration that it went out of focus in practice.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Putin just signed decree that increases the number of army by 170000, or 15 per cent

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This is obviously a significant development, one that could lead to another wave of mobilisation. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

: It is still a Relevant topic with tons of articles everyday coming out of it.

Von bismarck (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose If there was a clear rationale behind the removal, it could have been summed up in one sentence.

It generates enough news and events, with USA funding not approved. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per Kirill C1, although I might be more readily convinced with a more concise rationale for removal. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Still the preeminent conflict in the world in terms or geo-political gravity. Has a much a stronger claim to being in ongoing than either Myanmar or Sudan. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Neutral – In the past two weeks, only three sentences have been added to this article. It's a weak growth that doesn't really match what "ongoing" means on Wikipedia, but it's not nothing and I know that articles like this go in waves. Another wave of activity will probably happen. That being said, I don't know how much further this article specifically will evolve. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  what about the timeline article? I think the reason that it's also there is because the main article gets fewer updates (which itself could be a sign that it should be taken down). JM (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Ad & WaltCip; early winter has historically always seen offensives stall in this region. As the mud freezes, it's quite likely we'll start seeing offensive actions start back up. Additionally, we are undoubtedly going to see escalated drone and missile attacks as well. Unless there is a prolonged ceasefire or a peace deal, I see no reason to pull from ongoing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

This is a crystal-ball argument. If a major offensive starts during the winter, we can easily report it. For now, it's only a speculation.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per the above, I'm sure things will heat up again in the Spring, additionally this is still a relevent topic. Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose. Per WaltClip. Though, I am not convinced to fully "oppose" either on account of what is more or less the fact that it is cold. This discussion is really lacking in strong arguments. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM means NOTFORUM. Contains oppose !vote.
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Oppose. Even if this criminal act and the brave defence against it reached a sort of halt that does not make it less ongoing in the grand scheme of things. And it's still a relevant world topic. --Ouro (blah blah) 16:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC) ...if it's halted then it is not ongoing. it's either halted or it's ongoing. JM (talk) 16:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC) @Ouro: What criminal act?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC) WP:NOTFORUM —M3ATH (See · Say) 17:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC) I’m trying to get the meaning of “criminal act” because it’s a very strong phrase that normally violates WP:CIVIL.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC) Apologies; that seems to have been an indentation mistake on my part. I meant to point out that the phrases "crimminal act" and "brave defence" violated WP:NOTFORUM. —M3ATH (See · Say) 18:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC) For the moment I don't care about NOTFORUM and am considering the question to be put forward in bad faith. For reasons of stating the obdious, the criminal act of the russian invasion of Ukraine. It may be ongoing and stalled just like evolution or climate change is ongoing but you'd be hard pressed to point to any specific things that happened today to make them ongoing. Guys, you needn't reply mentioning that this is not a forum for opinions, I know. It's just that this issue is personally important to me. --Ouro (blah blah) 18:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC) Consider that there are certain guidelines for what can be in ongoing, which is why evolution and climate change are not there. Look at the current events portal to see a secondary level of ongoing events which are not on the main page, which is where this page would go if a proposal like this ever passed. JM (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC) So you are allowed to violate NOTFORUM and AGF if an issue is personally important to you. Got it. —M3ATH (See · Say) 18:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC) As noted above, that is not how Ongoing items are evaluated. Significant and frequent updates are important, which is a valid thing to question in this scenario. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - I do understand where this is coming from, but this would be a bad idea. First of all, the COVID-19 comparison isn't valid because there's no such policy as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. The notability of the war isn't due to the death toll. It's still regularly in the news and a huge part of global discourse, one of the biggest events in the 21st Century. And finally, I think if there was to be some escalation in the future, we should post it regardless like we posted the annexation of south-east Ukraine to Russia or the Wagner Rebellion. I do agree that Opposing because the war could escalate in the future is Crystal Balling, but still. Unless the war ends or really grinds down to a Korean-style stalemate (which it hasn't yet, still massive battles raging), it should stay up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe if the status quo remains, we can come back and review in a few months. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

If nothing major happens by, say, July 2024, then id say this would be a genuine proposal. For now, its still the second-most covered war, only behind the War in Gaza. Lukt64 (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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December 4

Portal:Current events/2023 December 4

December 4, 2023 (2023-12-04) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 316 Palestinians have been killed and 664 injured during the last 24 hours in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) Five Israeli soldiers are killed in clashes with Hamas, bringing the IDF's death toll to 80 since the ground invasion began. (Haaretz) Telecommunication services have been cut off in the Gaza Strip, the Palestinian telecoms company Paltel has said, as Israel intensifies its military operations. (Al Jazeera) United Nations shelters across Gaza record a spike in infectious diseases such as diarrhoea and skin infections, while only one hospital can take on complex surgery or critical trauma cases. One UN shelter in Gaza also reported a hepatitis A outbreak on Friday. (Al Jazeera) Qatari prime minister Al Thani calls for an "immediate, comprehensive and impartial international investigation" into Israel’s military activities in Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Battle of Marinka The United Kingdom Defense Ministry reports that Russia likely controls most of Marinka in Donetsk Oblast. (Kyiv Independent via Yahoo News) Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine The White House says that United States Congress funds designated for providing aid to Ukraine would run out by the end of the year, due to opposition from members of the Republican Party, in a letter made available to the public. (Al Jazeera) The Financial Times reports that the European Union is facing difficulties in agreeing on a new aid package, due to opposition from Hungary. (Al Jazeera) President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev vetoes a proposed agreement to provide Ukraine with armored vehicles, returning the agreement to parliament. (Kyiv Independent) Russian generals killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Voronezh Oblast governor Aleksandr Gusev announces the death of major general Vladimir Zavadsky, deputy commander of the 14th Army Corps, at his combat post in Ukraine. (Reuters) Tudun Biri drone strike An army drone strike in Kaduna State, Nigeria, mistakenly kills at least 85 civilians and injures 60 others during a Muslim festival. (AFP via France 24) Business and economy Gold prices reach a new peak of US$2,135.39 per ounce, surpassing the previous record from 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. (AFP via The Economic Times) Disasters and accidents 2023 eruption of Mount Marapi Thirteen hikers are found dead and eleven more are missing after Mount Marapi's eruption in West Sumatra, Indonesia, on Sunday. (AFP via NDTV) International relations Foreign relations of the European Union, Foreign relations of Niger Niger's goverment announces the termination of its military missions with the European Union, including EUCAP Sahel Niger, amidst closer ties with neighboring countries, Mali and Burkina Faso. (AFP via Euractiv) Politics and elections 2023 Guyana–Venezuela crisis 2023 Venezuelan referendum Voters in Venezuela approve the claim of sovereignty over Guayana Esequiba in a referendum. The National Electoral Council announces that more than 10.5 million votes were cast with 95% being in favour of Venezuelan sovereignty over the region. (The Guardian) 2024 United States presidential election 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum withdraws his candidacy for president. (The New York Times) Guinea-Bissauan President Umaro Sissoco Embaló dissolves the National People's Assembly, citing an attempted coup d'état. (AFP via RFI)

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RD: Suminda Sirisena

Article: Suminda Sirisena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily News
Credits:

• Nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gt4ale (talk · give credit), Kelisi (talk · give credit), 181.209.120.218 (talk · give credit) and Chanakal (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

RD: Thomas Ragle

Article: Thomas Ragle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VT Digger
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Obituary published 4 December. Thriley (talk) 04:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Support. Article looks okay in terms of sources. However, the article itself could be expanded more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Sophie Anderson

Article: Sophie Anderson (actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bristol Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support article looks good enough. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jerome O'Neill

Article: Jerome O'Neill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WCAX
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 07:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - article looks well-cited ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Juanita Castro

Article: Juanita Castro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Univision
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Support looks fine to me JM (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment DoB is uncited. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  @MonarchOfTerror: Fixed. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  Nice, I'll support. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 08:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - article looks good. Never knew the sister of Fidel Castro worked for the CIA ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 21:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) 2023 eruption of Mount Marapi

Article: 2023 eruption of Mount Marapi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A volcanic eruption in Sumatra, Indonesia results in the deaths of 22 hikers. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Created and nominated by LynxesDesmond (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and JarrahTree (talk · give credit)

Very major natural disaster, the first volcano eruption in 2023 with a death toll. Article is pretty short at the moment, though it will be expanded as more information is reported. LynxesDesmond 🐈 13:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• The article is a stub. Schwede66 17:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose First off, such a minimal death toll is not ITN-worthy, second, the article would need to be expanded to fit ITN-Criteria. Editor 5426387 (talk) 01:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Support on notability, oppose on article quality. The article needs significant improvements to fulfil ITN criteria. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs to be expanded and be a bit more fully in-depth before posting. Support on notability. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support on notability Article lengthwise seems ok. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 12:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support – Great work @Borgenland: and others for expanding the article to its current state. It looks in a solid state for a main page feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support The death of a two-digit number of hikers as a result of a volcanic eruption is a significant disaster. Article looks minimally sufficient for posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Support per above JM (talk) 14:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - and I dont think an argument about a minimal death toll is ever valid here. Needs the target in the blurb, something like Mount Marapi erupts on the island of Sumatra in Indonesia, killing 22 hikers.. nableezy - 18:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted, with Nableezy's improvement to the blurb. Black Kite (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Note waiting for the image to be protected before switching it. Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

•  Done. Black Kite (talk) 19:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

COP 28

Article: 2023 United Nations Climate Change Conference (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cop28 president says there is ‘no science’, US lays out plan, Smog obscures skyline, Nigeria's 1,411-man delegation
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Matthiaspaul (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Boud (talk · give credit), Gorebath (talk · give credit), John Cummings (talk · give credit) and Stephen Hui (talk · give credit)

Article updated

There's a variety of possible blurbs and the president, Sultan Al Jaber, seems to be making waves. Perhaps Ongoing is best to cover all the angles. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support seems to be updated frequently, and is receiving ongoing coverage. Quality is also there. JM (talk) 11:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support The quality of the article is not great, but it's acceptable, and has been updated. The significance is overwhelming, given the climate emergency. This is ongoing for another week, and media coverage is not going to decrease, especially after al-Jaber's opposition to fossil fuel phase out (and mansplaining: I accepted to come to this meeting to have a sober and mature conversation) and the revelation that there are 70,000 participants ... Boud (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support This has been a worldwide scandal, with some significant coverage in multiple periodicals. The COP28 article is messy, but not particularly problematic. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per precedent. We waited last year for the conclusion of the event and any major decisions that came out of it. No need to post right now, and honestly, the controversies in question have me seriously doubting the actual value of COP at all. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• What happened last year was that an ITN decision was deferred and then nothing was done. This is the common outcome in this matter – procrastination. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:26, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per precedent. If something important comes out of this, we can post it, but given that the president is being accused of climate change denial, that is highly unlikely. —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 16:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Blurb - Put up the event and controversy surrounding PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose If anything significant comes out of this, then maybe a blurb may be more appropriate, but for now, this is not significant enough.Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support ongoing item nomination, many significant things such as the nuclear energy promise and the controversy promise Unknown-Tree (talk) 18:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Support Overwhelming significance, many updates, and honestly it's great to have something else than wars in Ongoing. The event spans several days and several points can be in the news even before the final decisions, that's exactly what Ongoing is for. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 20:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's a two-week conference which will be over in a week. That's not what Ongoing is for. If some actually significant decisions are made there, and not just blowing hot air, then post a blurb. Nsk92 (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  Ongoing is for when a blurb rolls off but the event is still notable and In The News, or if there is a significant amount of independent news items related to the event coming in. Neither has happened here. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  That's false as there are plenty of stories coming out of this ongoing event. For example, right now the online NYT has four headlines on its main page:

1. Climate Summit Leader Tries to Calm Uproar...
2. Global Fossil Fuel Emissions Are Rising...
3. Air-Conditioning Use Will Surge in a Warming World...
4. 1.5 Degrees Is Not the Problem

So, with four front page headlines, that's more than any of the other ongoing ITN entries for which the scores are Gaza=3, Ukraine=2, Myanmar=0, Sudan=0. Q.E.D. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah but I'd say 2 of those stories would not be suitable for a blurb. The only two angles that we could go for would be the event happening and surrounding controversy. It's no shock to anyone that fossil fuel emissions are rising, and the other article is an opinion piece. The quantity of headlines does increase notability, but doesn't necessarily indicate it should be ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose until end of the event and then determine if there's anything useful out of it. We have not posted the past COP nor the onset of other G7/G20/equivalent international meetings, but only give a blurb if there is some major, actionable agreement that comes out that, and that's usually not known until the last day of the event. --Masem (t) 01:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Support as per reasons above Roma enjoyer (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until it's over and then blurb it if there is anything worth the notice. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose ongoing, support blurb as per Nsk92. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose ongoing, oppose blurb unless there's meaningful action worthy of being posted. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support as affects so many countries Chidgk1 (talk) 10:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until the conference ends and post any major conclusions. I don't see reporting on important decisions during the conference in the article to justify posting onto ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Needs work – Currently the lead section exclusive speaks of the background/leadup to the event. More writing needs to be done and the article must be rebalanced before this can be featured. Article has a lot of potential, however. I can see a lot of work has been put into this in the past months! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Venezuelan referendum

Articles: 2023 Venezuelan referendum (talk · history · tag) and 2023 Guyana–Venezuela crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In South America, amidst an ongoing diplomatic crisis between the two countries, Venezuelans vote to annex the disputed Guayana Esequiba (shown in green) region in Guyana. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Amidst a diplomatic crisis between the two countries, Venezuelans vote to annex the disputed Guayana Esequiba region of Guyana.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Amidst a diplomatic crisis between the two countries, Venezuelans vote to support their government's position that the disputed Guayana Esequiba region in Guyana (shown in green) is Venezuelan territory.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Amidst a diplomatic crisis with Guyana, Venezuelans vote to support their government's claim on the disputed Guayana Esequiba region (shown in green).
News source(s): CNN - Reuters - AP
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by RayneVanDunem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PLATEL (talk · give credit) and Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major news in South America that will further a diplomatic crisis and may even escalate into a war. It's an intriguing story that isn't getting enough news coverage, so will definately be worth a view to our readers. — Knightoftheswords 04:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Oppose significant because it is an international incident and territorial dispute featuring a military buildup alongside this referendum, but the article needs to be updated; the results tables have no information. done after taking a second look it's clear those sources do not back up those numbers, which are inaccurate. this article cannot be blurbed until there are accurate numbers. JM (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  Support quality has improved, the significance I outlined in my original review still stands. JM (talk) 07:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality per JM. Those results were not accurate. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Support - I really don't think many realise how bad this situation is getting, and the massive impact it will have on everything. This needs to be put up on the front page. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Also it might be good to say that the people """"""voted"""""" to annex, supposedly by a 95% majority (shocking result I know) PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - The referendum did not explicitly ask voters to approve the annexation of the Essequibo region, but rather supported the establishment of a state in the disputed area (among other provisions). The referendum is a step towards a potential annexation, but it wasn't asking for it directly. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  It could be argued that it is a de facto annexation, fully incorporating a neighbouring territory as a part of your state. It's the same thing that the Russians did, Donetsk and Luhansk becoming full fledged republics of the federation. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  Even if it could be argued that it is a "de facto annexation", it still is not (the referendum is consultative and therefore voting to approve simply doesn't codify anything other than to send a message of approval), and there is not a significant body of work that directly states the referendum is asking to directly do so (however, there are many other things that are adjacent to a potential annexation or significant action being taken that are at hand in relation to the referendum) and the assertion of such would be a violation of WP:NOR. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  The big difference is that Venezuela doesn't have de facto possession of the territory. As I understand it, it's controlled by Guyana and they are backed up by Brazil's powerful military. Venezuela is sabre-rattling for domestic consumption as the country is otherwise a shambles. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I've made some improvements on the article, but more is needed on the veracity of the referendum. I highly doubt it was free and fair PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support of clear significance and both bolded articles appear in good shape. I agree that annex is probably not the right word to use as that usually implies some degree of control over the territory. Not quite sure how best to word this - maybe "vote to a establish a state in the disputed region". ITBF (talk) 08:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is an ongoing dispute which is still before the ICJ. Venezuela's referendum does not seem significant as what will matter is physical control on the ground and international recognition. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment Blurb is a bit long, and two bolded articles might be too much. Also no need to add "shown in green" if the map is already labeled. Support the shorter and more concise altblurb. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 09:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Support and I have proposed alt2 to address concerns that the referendum wasn't technically for annexation. —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 09:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support altblurb, whatever happens, this appears to be a noteworthy aggressive move by Venezuela, underpinning its claim. Article looks ok. Brandmeister^talk 11:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support alternative blurb II III in principle, Oppose main and alternative blurb: The referendum consisted in five questions, only of which the last one asked to begin steps to incorporate the territory, so the issue is more nuanced than voters asking to annex the territory, as others have mentioned.

Likewise, also commented above already, there's the initial results: while polls estimated a 20% turnout (around 4 million voters) and those figures were even coonsidered an overestimation, the Venezuelan government now says that over 10 million people voted (over 50% turnout). I think there weren't independent observers, but allowing this around 12 hours or so should allow to learn the position of experts and the opposition.

I know that electoral results usually aren't questioned in the ITN, but this should also be considered in the blurb (see (Posted) 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine). If everything else fails, I would support the inclusion of the Guayana Esequiba crisis article in the Ongoing section. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:43, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding referendum questions, as shown in the article, all of them are related to Guayana Esequiba which is explicitly mentioned in each of them, not just the last one. The 3rd one is perhaps particularly provocative, about "Venezuela's historical position of not recognizing the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice to resolve the territorial controversy over Guayana Esequiba". Also, altblurb II looks too verbose and conniving. Brandmeister^talk 11:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is an important move by Venezuela, but i understand why some are apprehensive to add it. But it IS a vote to annex a part of another sovereign nation, and should be brought to light.

Manumaker08 (talk) 18:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Altblurb III, Oppose main and alternative blurb Concise and addresses prior WP:SYNTH concerns I've had with the first two blurbs. Potential regional conflict that can arise, and ITN significance is clear. My only concern is that the article is not updated with the final results for any of the 5 questions. I believe Portuguese wiki has the results, but I'm uncertain as to if they have the source for the results. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Update The results are in: Maduro vote to claim Guyana’s territory backfires as Venezuelans stay home

  Turnout was minimal ... most voters shunned the issue ... the Venezuelan government has been widely accused by analysts of falsifying the results ... It was a resounding failure for Maduro ... they rigged the results ... massive PR disaster ... firing the propaganda machine ... 7 million people to flee the country ... leaves an enormous gap ...

  So, shall we blurb this as a "resounding failure" for the Maduro regime? Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support amendment This has been one of my main points: the nuances of the referendum should be reflected, since the official results are widely distrusted. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Marking as ready — Knightoftheswords 01:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Removed as premature. Article still hasn't been updated with results, which are in dispute. The Kip 04:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Support for obvious reasons. It's currently trending on the news and shall be posted. Rager7 (talk) 01:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Support conceptually, Oppose all blurbs. The statement that "Venezuelans vote to" support their government is dubious at the very best. Abundant nuance to this situation is evident, I accept, but lack of referendum tampering is improbable. Below example blurb, a modification of alt3, is preferable:

Amidst a diplomatic crisis with Guyana, a Venezuelan referendum succeeds to support the government's claim on the disputed Guayana Esequiba region (shown in green). 180.150.81.68 (talk) 11:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, in case of tampering something like "Venezuelan referendum supports the annexation..." may work, to avoid placing the responsibility on Venezuelan people whose opinion may have been manipulated. Brandmeister^talk 20:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Much preferable indeed. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 22:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. RSes are making it pretty blunt that the government’s reported turnout/vote count is highly disputed, so to frame it as the referendum legitimately voting to support is to effectively take the government line. The Kip 21:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2023 attack on the USS Carney

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2023 attack on the USS Carney (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A U.S Navy warship and a British military warship reported a explosion in Yemen. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Red Sea, the USS Carney and several commercial vessels are attacked by the Houthi movement.
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/red-sea-houthi-yemen-ships-attack-israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-716770f0a780160e9abed98d3c48fbde
Credits:

• Nominated by NewPedia24 (talk · give credit)

A U.S Navy warship and a few commercial ships was struck by ballistic missiles fired from Yemen, and a few U.S Navy warships also shot down a few drones in self-defense. NewPedia24 (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Poorly informative blurb, and ideally we should have an article talking about the incident before putting it on ITN. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 00:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Chaotic Enby + fairly mundane incident in the grand scheme of things. The Kip 01:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  The "actual" article should be 2023 attack on the USS Carney which might be a bit more relevant than "an explosion", but still. Also borderline under Ongoing. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 01:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• SNOW provincial, no article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:16, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Even with the article, my understanding is that all of the US ships and bases in the Persian Gulf have generally seen these types of attacks or attempts at attacks by the various terrorist groups for years, and there's nothing new here outside this taking place at the same time as the active conflict in Gaza. None of these attacks have succeeded in any major issues (no lost of ships, etc) so while nothing to sneeze at, its business as usual. --Masem (t) 01:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom. Trivial incident that probably doesn't pass WP:EVENT. If the article doesn't end up being merged/redirected I may send it to AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Changed heading and target article, and added altblurb JM (talk) 02:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose There have been multiple incidents like this in the past few weeks and this one isn't much different. No casualties and the U.S. warship wasn't actually hit. I also think the target article, 2023 attack on the USS Carney, should be nominated for deletion unless all recent attacks are merged into one. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  Oh okay. NewPedia24 (talk) 03:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Peta Murphy

Article: Peta Murphy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.9news.com.au/national/peta-murphy-federal-labor-mp-dies-from-cancer/c771ddc2-991e-44b5-8f5d-82003cf9d733
Credits:

• Nominated by MaxnaCarta (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support Article is well sourced and I don't see any problems. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Yes, a well sourced article. As well as her parliamentary duties, this lady was a champion squash and softball player, and a strong advocate on women's heath issues. HiLo48 (talk) 05:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:26, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 06:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

December 3

Portal:Current events/2023 December 3

December 3, 2023 (2023-12-03) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 700 Palestinians have been killed during the last 24 hours by Israeli airstrikes in the Gaza Strip. Rights groups object to Israel's increased attacks in southern Gaza, which Israel had declared as a "safe zone". (Al Jazeera) Houthi involvement in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war The USS Carney and multiple civilian-owned commercial ships are attacked by the Houthis in the Red Sea. At least three cargo ships are hit by missiles, according to the United States Central Command. (The Washington Post) (The Drive) Iraqi conflict 2023 attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria A CJTF-OIR drone strike kills five militants near Kirkuk, Iraq, in response to rocket and drone attacks on U.S. and coalition forces. (Al Arabiya) Kivu conflict The East African Community's task force begins withdrawing from North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, after the country refused to renew the force's mandate. (AFP via France 24) Moro conflict, Terrorism in the Philippines Mindanao State University bombing Four people are killed and around 50 others are injured in a bombing during a Catholic Mass at Mindanao State University in Marawi, Bangsamoro, Philippines. The Islamic State claims responsibility for the bombing. (Reuters) Business and economy Alaska Airlines announces their intent to acquire Hawaiian Airlines in a deal worth $1.9 billion. The new company will maintain separate operations for both brands. (Honolulu Star-Advertiser) Disasters and incidents 2023 Africa floods At least 47 people are killed and 85 others are injured in landslides caused by flooding in Katesh, Manyara, Tanzania. (AFP via Arab News) Health and environment 2023 United Nations Climate Change Conference COP28 President Sultan Al Jaber dismisses proposals for a fossil fuel phase-out, with some attendees accusing Al Jaber of climate change denial. (The Guardian) International relations Burkina Faso and Niger announce their withdrawal from the G5 Sahel security alliance, citing its failure to make the Sahel region safer. (BBC News) Law and crime 2023 Queens stabbing A man kills four of his family members and injures another in a mass stabbing in Queens, New York, United States. The man also injures two responding police officers before being shot dead by police. (CNN) Politics and elections 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis 2023 Venezuelan referendum Venezuelans vote in a referendum on the territorial claim to Guayana Esequiba, which is disputed with Guyana. (BBC News) 2023 Democratic Republic of the Congo general election Former Prime Minister Matata Ponyo Mapon withdraws his candidacy for president and endorses Katanga Governor Moïse Katumbi. (AFP via The Citizen) Human rights in Ukraine In an interview with Der Spiegel, Mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko says that Ukraine is heading toward authoritarianism and that the President's Office views mayors as an impediment to power consolidation. (Kyiv Independent) International reactions to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war In the United States, Muslim American leaders in several pivotal states pledge to rally their communities against President Joe Biden’s bid for re-election due to his countinued backing of Israel. (Al Jazeera)

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Mindanao State University bombing

Article: Mindanao State University bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Islamist bombing at Mindanao State University in Marawi, Philippines, kills four people. (Post)
News source(s): [3][4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Created by X2023X (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Significant number of injuries. Article in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support – Article looks good. The lede section could use a bit of expanding, but the prose has a lot of details. Nice work! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Tudun Biri drone strike

Article: Tudun Biri drone strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Nigerian Army drone strike unintentionally kills over 85 civilians in Kaduna State. (Post)
News source(s): [5][6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gwanki (talk · give credit)

Article needs a lot of work. But there are a significant number of deaths caused by this accidental drone strike in Nigeria. Natg 19 (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Support on notability, oppose on quality wow (referring to both the event and to the article's poor quality) JM (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality. JM took the words right out of my mouth. Article is still in its infancy, but a massive tragedy. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  Support on notability, oppose on quality. per above Lukt64 (talk) 20:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Per everyone above. This is an awful tragedy, but the article needs to be expanded. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yacouba Sawadogo

Article: Yacouba Sawadogo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RFI
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by WaddlesJP13 (talk · give credit) and Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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“The man who stopped the desert” Jmanlucas (talk) 06:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment: three unsourced sentences, two of which is a summary of sourced sentences. I haven’t verified yet Aaron Liu (talk) 14:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed up any sentences I believe need citing. Feel free to add any CN tags to areas you still think should be cited. I don't believe every sentence necessarily needs a citation if a group of sentences use the same source. Jmanlucas (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I think there was a rule somewhere that citations covered everything before it until the previous citation but I can't find it. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Ronnie O'Sullivan wins UK Championship

Ronnie O'Sullivan

Article: 2023 UK Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In snooker, Ronnie O'Sullivan wins a record-extending eighth UK Championship title. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/sport/snooker/67607991
Credits:

• Nominated by AmethystZhou (talk · give credit)

Ronnie O'Sullivan defeats China's Ding Junhui 10–7 to win a record-extending eighth UK Championship title. The UK Championship is one of the three prestigious Triple Crown events in snooker, which O'Sullivan has won a record 22 times. AmethystZhou (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Is this ITN/R? If so, please indicate in the nom; if not, oppose due to insignificance. JM (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  Nope, only the World Snooker Championship is WP:ITN/R. Oppose too. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 00:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Snooker’s a debatable inclusion on ITNR in the first place, and a non-ITNR tournament doesn’t meet the bar imo. The Kip 01:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  I think any tournament of anything that is not by now in ITN/R is probably not significant JM (talk) 01:30, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose it's the second or third biggest snooker event of the year (World Championship being the biggest one, which is why it's ITNR), and the coverage of it is therefore not enough to justify ITN placing. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment O'Sullivan's longevity in this sport is truly remarkable. He first won the UK Championship as a 17-year-old in 1993, and now he has become both the oldest and the youngest winner of this tournament. To win the event 8 times, surpassing other dominant players like Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry is also a great achievement. But it's snooker, so it won't get posted. A shame.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

  ITN is not for any person with "remarkable" achievement, and it's not even about it being snooker. The UK Championship just doesn't rise to ITN's threshold of notability. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 20:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support – The article is beautiful, a really excellent job has been put on it. I do think snooker is well-represented with an annual posting of the World Championship, which typically reaches the same level of quality. As a feature of O'Sullivan's article as well (GA), I think this would be a lovely thing to be putting on ITN. However, I don't want to create precedent of regularly featuring minor tournaments in sports versus premier tournaments, especially when it comes to national stuff, so I'm rather on the edge here.. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Why not? The thing that sways for me is the record, that they are now the youngest and oldest winner of the tournament. Polyamorph (talk) 10:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Nothing against snooker, but only the world championship rises to the level of meriting a blurb at ITN IMHO. There are numerous sporting tournaments of interest around the world, including lots of highly competitive football leagues and such, but we just can't include everything.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Myles Goodwyn

Article: Myles Goodwyn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Canadian musician. Article needs a bit of work. Citations are slowly coming along. Flibirigit (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Just a citation or two left I know. Sad to hear this, big April Wine fan but obviously I haven't kept up on later developments. CoatCheck (talk) 13:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support. One remaining CN tag in lead but I think it's good. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 13:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above JM (talk) 14:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• I will work on the article this week. It has two citation tags in the career section, and has little personal information. The discography section is not cited, and some production credits need citations. Flibirigit (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Glenys Kinnock

Article: Glenys Kinnock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a few citations before it's passable. - SchroCat (talk) 14:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

*Comment - will need a looot of work before it's good to go. See that the bulk of her article is badly written and sourceless. I've tagged the article for everything needing a ref. At the moment, the problems are quite extensive. Sad news though. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 Working - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - fixed all referencing issues. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced article. Looks good to go! Good work, Tim O'Doherty. Jmanlucas (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support article looks good. So strange, I was just reading about her daughter-in-law earlier today.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support. No problems found, well sourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 00:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Publications need references. Stephen 08:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Added. - SchroCat (talk) 09:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 10:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2

Portal:Current events/2023 December 2

December 2, 2023 (2023-12-02) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip More than 190 Palestinians are killed and hundreds more are wounded by Israeli airstrikes on the Gaza Strip, including Khan Younis in the south. (Al Jazeera) The United Nations say the fighting will worsen the extreme humanitarian emergency in Gaza. UN aid chief Martin Griffiths said that the people of Gaza had nowhere safe to go and very little to survive on. (Al Jazeera) The United States provides BLU-109 bunker buster bombs and other munitions to Israel. Similar bombs made by the US have been used by Israel in the Jabalia refugee camp airstrikes, including a strike that levelled an apartment block, killing more than 100 people. (Al Jazeera) Islamic terrorism in Europe, Terrorism in France 2023 Paris attack One person is killed and two others are injured in a knife and hammer attack near the Eiffel Tower in Paris, France. The suspect is arrested by police. (Reuters) Moro conflict Bomb maker Mundi Sawadjaan, a leader of Abu Sayyaf and suspect in the 2020 suicide bombings in Sulu, is killed by security forces during a military operation in Basilan, Philippines. (The Star) Spillover of the Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chilas bus shooting Eight people are killed and 26 others injured in a mass shooting against a bus on the Karakoram Highway near the town of Chilas, Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy The cooling tower of the decommissioned Voerde power station in NRW, Germany is blown up. (NRZ) (RWE) (WDR) Disasters and accidents December 2023 Mindanao earthquake A person is killed when a 7.5 magnitude earthquake strikes off the coast of Mindanao, Philippines. Tsunami warnings are issued for the Philippines and Japan, but are later lifted. (Reuters) Politics and elections Al-Qadir Trust case The Pakistan Movement for Justice party appoints Gohar Ali Khan as its new chairman, replacing party founder and former Prime Minister Imran Khan, who remains detained on various charges. (AFP via The Daily Star) Human rights in Ukraine Ukraine's security service stops former president Petro Poroshenko from leaving the country. Poroshenko's political party, European Solidarity, said he had scheduled meetings in Poland and the United States. (Reuters via France 24)

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(Posted) RD: Faustin Twagiramungu

Article: Faustin Twagiramungu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, RFI
Credits:

• Nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit), Kelisi (talk · give credit) and Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Prime Minister of Rwanda who took power in the wake of the Rwanda Genocide Jmanlucas (talk) 18:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability, and article quality is generally good. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Notability is not a critera for RD, all that matters is that the subject has an article, which all valid RD nominations have by definition JM (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support: has one "citation needed" tag, but is otherwise fine. --RFBailey (talk) 23:16, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

  Fixed. Thanks for the notice. Jmanlucas (talk) 04:26, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 05:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support The article has improved a lot. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 08:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maria Martin

Article: Maria Martin (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Created and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American journalist, known for her contributions to Latino and Latin American affairs. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support Article feels a little barebones, but it's well-cited and longer than a stub. The Kip 07:53, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 07:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

December 1

Portal:Current events/2023 December 1

December 1, 2023 (2023-12-01) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israel–Hamas ceasefire The ceasefire between Israel and Hamas ends when a deadline expires on the seventh day. Mediator Qatar says that efforts are ongoing to renew the ceasefire and expressed regret over the resumption of Israeli bombardments. (AP) More than 180 Palestinians are killed and hundreds more are injured by Israeli airstrikes on different parts of the Gaza Strip, including the community of Abasan al-Kabira and a home northwest of Gaza City. (Al Jazeera) (AP) Aid is stranded near Egypt’s border with Gaza, with truck drivers saying they expected further delays to a complex delivery process that had briefly speeded up during the weeklong truce. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Israel–Lebanon border conflict Israeli shelling kills a woman and her son in Hula in southern Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Hundreds of Malawians travel to Israel to work as farm labourers. Kondwani Nankhumwa, leader of the Democratic Progressive Party, has questioned the secrecy of the deal amidst the governments awareness of the ongoing war. (Al Jazeera) Iraqi conflict Kurdish–Turkish conflict The Turkish Air Force launches airstrikes on Kurdistan Workers' Party positions in northern Iraq, reportedly destroying 16 of their targets and killing a number of separatist militants. (Reuters) At least eleven civilians are killed in an attack by an armed group in Miqdadiyah, Diyala Governorate, Iraq. No group has claimed responsibility. (AP) Moro conflict Eleven Dawla Islamiyah and Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters militants are killed during a raid by the Philippine Army in Datu Hoffer Ampatuan, Maguindanao del Sur. (AP) Myanmar civil war Allied Karenni rebel groups and local PDF forces launch attacks on junta bases in Kawkareik, Karen State. (The Irrawaddy) Somali Civil War The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) lifts an arms embargo on the Somali Armed Forces and the Somali government, while continuing sanctions against the al-Shabaab jihadist group. (AFP via The Defense Post) War in Sudan The UNSC adopts a resolution to end the mandate of its United Nations Integrated Transition Assistance Mission in Sudan (UNITAMS) by December 3. (Radio Dabanga) Arts and culture For his role in the film Passages, Franz Rogowski is honored by the New York Film Critics Circle as best leading actor of the year. (Der Spiegel) (Variety) Business and economy Sri Lankan economic crisis Sri Lanka's efforts to restructure its debt run into difficulty when an ad hoc group of private creditors object that the official creditors and Sri Lanka itself are being insufficiently transparent about their talks. (Reuters) International relations 2023 Guyana–Venezuela crisis The International Court of Justice (ICJ) orders Venezuela to refrain from any action that would alter the status quo in Guayana Esequiba ahead of a referendum on its rights to the disputed territory, but does not forbid Venezuela from going ahead with the referendum as Guyana requested. (Reuters) Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War The International Committee of the Red Cross suspends the Belarus Red Cross after its Secretary General Dzmitry Shautsou refuses to resign following statements that the organization was involved in bringing Ukrainian children to Belarus for health improvement purposes. (AP) (Nasha Niva) Territorial disputes in the South China Sea The Philippine Coast Guard establishes a surveillance station on the disputed Thitu Island in the South China Sea. (AP) Law and crime Crime in Los Angeles A serial killer is suspected of having fatally shot three homeless men during the past week in Los Angeles, California, United States. (ABC News) Politics and elections 118th United States Congress George Santos is expelled from the United States House of Representatives over criminal corruption charges and accusations of misspending campaign money. (Reuters) 2023 Malagasy presidential election Madagascar's supreme court confirms Andry Rajoelina's election as president after dismissing several challenges against the provisional results. (Reuters) Science and technology South Korea launches its first military reconnaissance satellite from the Vandenberg Space Force Base in California, United States, carried by a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket. (AFP via SCMP)

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(Posted) RD: Bob Albright

Article: Bob Albright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AL.com
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Kafoxe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Alabama state legislator. Died November 27, reported in media on December 1. Kafoxe (talk) 06:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article appears to be well-cited and holistic, good work. Curbon7 (talk) 18:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  As an aside, more sources can likely be found on Newspapers.com, which is available through WP:The Wikipedia Library. Curbon7 (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I was not aware of this resource, as I'd been relying on ones that were publicly available online, outside of the database. I've also corrected his time of tenure, as AL.com appears to have been mistaken. Kafoxe (talk) 19:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support sufficiently sourced for posting. Polyamorph (talk) 18:54, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brigit Forsyth

Article: Brigit Forsyth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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• British actress, known for Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? and multiple other TV/film/stage work. Fairly short, but cited. Black Kite (talk) 09:53, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: The infobox currently gives her birth name as "Brigit Dorothea Connell", but I can find no source for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Whilst I've no reason to doubt it, nor can I, so I've removed it. Black Kite (talk) 17:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  Ok. But I found a couple of things - see Talk page. A bit baffling. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Yeah ... and then there's this interview... Black Kite (talk) 23:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  Place of birth now resolved. Likely birth name has been removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Looks reasonable. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:26, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Byrne

Article: John Byrne (playwright) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Johnbod (talk · give credit) and Sahaib (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted Scottish artist and playwright, could do with a few citations. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per nom, article is orange-tagged. The Kip 22:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Support, article quality issues have been fixed. The Kip 07:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Been updated, think issues have been addressed. yorkshiresky (talk) 14:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  There's a single CN tag in the "Writer" table, but rest of the article's fine. Switching my vote. The Kip 07:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

RD: Badar uz Zaman

Article: Badar uz Zaman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Pk
Credits:

• Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Fahads1982 (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Fairly significant amount of unsourced content. The Kip 22:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) George Santos expelled from US Congress

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: George Santos (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ George Santos is expelled from the United States House of Representatives. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by 331dot (talk · give credit)

Only the sixth time in history someone has been kicked out of the House(and three of those were due to the Civil War) and the first since 2002. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC) We also have a great article to post. 331dot (talk) 17:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Support Very rare evert QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose "Sixth time..." already indicates this is not exceptional, and given the weak consensus for the outing of McCarthy from House Speaker, I don't think getting this far into US politics is a good idea. --Masem (t) 16:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  It's not six times this week, it's six times since 1787, and three of those were on one occasion(the Civil War) so really it's only four times. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Happy to support expulsions from other national legislative bodies, too. 331dot (talk) 16:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  As mentioned, it's the sixth time in history, across a span of years that exceeds the duration of pretty much every legislature on the planet besides the UK's Parliament. It's only the third time in the past 160 years. If we wanted to go with a Eurocentric view comparison here, this would be equivalent to something that'd just not been done since WW2 happening again. - Nottheking (talk) 20:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• In a different version of ITN, this would be a great nom. We should be posting articles that have substantial or interesting updates due to recent events, and this one has that in spades. This guy has been in office for less than a year and has a longer article than Nancy Pelosi (probably). GreatCaesarsGhost 16:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose so what? Nor does it seem to affect legislative normalcy or party domains. I suppose it is highly advisable that we look at the parliamentary activity (and its history) of other countries. Open the vision. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  "So what?" could be applied to most news stories we blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - it's not the US's fault that all the breaking news is happening here this week. Rare event, great article, etc. Have we ever posted the expulsion of a member of any legislature? --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 16:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Expulsion of members of legislatures is not as rare as you might think. If it has not been posted, it is because the editors have made the previous exercise of thinking that it is not significant. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Can you list some other expulsions? It's rare in the US. 331dot (talk) 17:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  The senate has expelled 15 members. However, 14 were during the Civil War and 1 was in 1797 for treason/conspiracy. Noah, AA^Talk 17:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you, but I was wondering about expulsions in other legislative bodies(to respond to the assertion that this isn't a rare thing) 331dot (talk) 17:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  In fairness, we kind of have to exclude those expelled during the Civil War. That was both some 160 years ago, and during a very different environment. This would be analogous to saying something happening in a European country is unusual just because it happened a number of times during World War 2. We're talking about an entirely different period of history. - Nottheking (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  In Spain: Laura Borràs, Alberto Rodríguez Rodríguez, Oriol Junqueras and others Catalan independence leaders.

  In Argentina: Angel Luque, Varela Cid and Ancari de Godoy.

  In Ukraine: Serhiy Vlasenko.

  In Russia: Gennady Gudkov.

  In the UK: Horatio Bottomley, Peter Baker, Garry Allighan.

  To give a few examples. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I would argue that Have we ever posted the expulsion of a member of any legislature? actually works against inclusion on ITN. I don't think we have before, and I don't think we should (rationale below in my Oppose vote). Bremps... 17:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Agree. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Certainly an exceptional event, but one that I feel doesn't have too much of an impact. Kevin McCarthy being ousted as Speaker just barely made ITN, and that was an even more unprecedented event. PolarManne (talk) 16:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Domestic political scandals below the level of a head of state/government are not ITN material. I can't remember the last time (if ever) we posted anything like this. Crooked pols exist all over the world. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Criminal expelled from congress... little impact on its functioning and not really that important of an event. This wouldn't be considered for any other country.

Noah, AA^Talk 16:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I would. And this does have an impact on functioning, reducing the already narrow GOP majority by one. 331dot (talk) 17:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

This is the first time that someone has been expelled who has not been yet convicted of a crime. He can't even be legally called a criminal yet.

FictiousLibrarian (talk). 20:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@FictiousLibrarian: He accepted a plea deal in Brazil for check fraud.

Noah, AA^Talk 21:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - this is not really that noteworthy in my opinion, basically just political trivia. - Indefensible (talk) 17:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support, agreeing with 331dot. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - We are confusing the issue by suggesting that this has earth-shattering political significance on the basis that the last such expulsion came during the Civil War. Rather, this was someone who was federally indicted for fraud and refused to resign as most other politicians would normally do in this scenario. Nixon's impeachment would have been significant whether or not he resigned or stayed until the bitter end, just because of how massive the fundamentals of the case were. Contrariwise, we would not be talking about this if Santos had simply resigned. Indefensible is right in that this is trivia. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per 331dot. This is historic and making global headlines, and as others have mentioned, we have a great article on this topic and this is the best moment to feature it. Davey2116 (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is the second Congressional expulsion of the 21st century. Not to mention one of 3 representatives who have been expelled on anything else than insurrection during the civil war. On top of the fact that the media is clearly covering this story extensively, this expulsion will set a new precedent in the operation of the United States House of Representatives. How this event will impact the house in the long term remains to be seen, regardless we are witnessing history unfold before our eyes. I strongly support this article's nomination FictiousLibrarian (talk). 20:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  FictiousLibrarian, Traficant was expelled in 2002. Curbon7 (talk) 21:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose What would be the wider significance of this event? He is not a national leader. Removal of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House was debatable, as he held a major position and because it was the first time it ever happened. Santos, on the other hand, is one representative out of more than 400 and is not the first congressperson to be expelled. Bremps... 17:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Weak Support - Notability is a bit iffy but I could get behind putting it up due to how rare this event is and how much coverage it has generated. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I knew this was going to get nominated. A member of a legislative body getting expelled does not mean its life changing. It did not have a huge impact in the House, and isn't considerate for other countries outside of the U.S.

TomMasterReal^TALK 19:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Weak Support This is a highly unprecedented move. This marks a very unusual threshold (as I've seen others mention) as this is the first time ever (out of thousands upon thousands of people to serve in Congress) person to be expelled for any reason other than "they directly participated in a rebellion against the Union" or "they were convicted of a felony but refused to resign." This will certainly have serious implications for the USA as a whole (which is sufficient reason for ITN: almost all news posted in ITN only directly impacts a single country, and isn't inherently an international event) but as of yet this total effect is unclear. It's understandable to note that this doesn't hold up to the standard for level of impact of, say, the prior posting of Henry Kissinger, as Kissinger was a truly international figure that had a greater impact on multiple countries than any of their respective heads of government they've had since.

At the minimum, this clearly will appear in the past as an "OTD" item, but I can see there being legitimate arguments that it doesn't meet the threshold for ITN. (mostly centered around how the greater impact outside of the GOP is unclear, and that such claims to notability might be construed as speculation) Unfortunately, whenever a news primarily focused on US national politics shows up, the !votes are cluttered with a number that directly ignore the rules for voting, but do seem to routinely get counted all the same. - Nottheking (talk) 21:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

He is has not been convicted of a crime in the United States. FictiousLibrarian (talk). 22:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per above and no offence, but "global news" is not a synonym for "news in the Western world." —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 17:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Moazfargal We can only consider what is nominated. Very happy to consider non-Western nominations. That's not a reason to exclude nominations. 331dot (talk) 18:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: I think I was misunderstood. I was referring to some comments that described this as global news, so I said that being in the news in the West doesn't make something global news. —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 18:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

It has made global news though. The ascension of Somalia to the EAC or the India tunnel collapse were region-specific too, but they got in PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The only reason I can think to post the expulsion of a member of a legislature was if it tipped the voting balance from one party to another, and even then I'd be dubious. Black Kite (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support It is far harder to expel someone from either house of the U.S. Congress due to the required two-thirds supermajority than it is from the UK or Canadian House of Commons (in the latter, from what I've read, only a majority is necessary). Santos is the first member since the Civil War to be expelled in the absence of a criminal conviction, breaking a long custom that only members who refused to resign after being convicted should be expelled. This event marks a crossing of the Godzilla Threshold; it is more of a black swan than people here are giving it credit for.

  And as for it being U.S.-centric, the story has gotten a lot of traction in Brazil (for obvious reasons), and I've seen in my news feed plenty of British coverage as well. Daniel Case (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  We have a chronic allergy to anything to do with Domestic US Affairs. But next week we'll happily post the Ecuadorian Netball Tournament or whatever PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  This is not us.wiki, this is en.wiki. We look to a global aspects, not just what may be important users from one country. Masem (t) 18:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  They're as "domestic" as any other country's affairs. Since you're taking Ecuador as an example, would you post the removal of a congressperson from Ecuador? (which happened two years ago) ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 19:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  If it had wide impacts, yes. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 19:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  In this case it doesn't really have wide impact, as the Republicans still have a majority. It's just very talked about, but ITN standards and journalistic standards don't fully overlap. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 19:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose, we are not posting stuff about individual congresspeople. The removal of McCarthy from speaker could've been ITN-worthy, the removal of a single congressperson certainly isn't. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 18:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose; this is not particularly consequential even in the US outside of his district, as it does not materially change the balance of power, and rarity in and of itself is not newsworthy. For the record, I would oppose posting the expulsion of a member of any national legislature unless there were other circumstances making it exceptionally newsworthy. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we posted Johnson's election as Speaker, which is more significant as a news story. This doesn't change a whole lot even within the U.S. as others have said. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Under the long-running precedent, selection of a Speaker (or even that of a Prime Minister in Westminster Systems) isn't considered a landmark, notable event, mostly because their formal selection is usually tied to a prior event (e.g, the general election) and thus their eventually ascension to premiership is seen as inevitable; that, for instance, the UK has a new PM or the USA has a new Speaker upon reconvening after an election isn't major news; it was expected.

  In the case of Johnson, this was somewhat unique because it'd taken multiple ballots (and candidates) for one to emerge, but the outcome itself was ultimately predictable: "Republican majority elects Republican speaker on party-line basis." Had something particularly unusual happened (e.g, the House elected a Speaker that wasn't a sitting GOP member) that would've warranted its own event. But as it was, it was the closure of a story already posted to ITN: the ouster of McCarthy & "interregnum" that followed. - Nottheking (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose; per presidentman. The election of a Speaker is more significant than the expulsion of a regular representative. Maj. Warden (talk) 20:30, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - definitely a rare event, but not unprecedented. The impact is pretty narrow, even though his seat will probably flip and narrow the already narrow republican majority.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose - Rare event? Yes. Internal U.S. politics, yes. CoatCheck (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Suggest Close We are deep into WP:SNOW territory here. No need for the pile-on to continue. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - rare but not all that important. One of 435 districts in the US does not have a representative in one of two legislative chambers. nableezy - 20:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  That's not what the story's about. After all, no one has been proposing blurbs for the deaths or resignation of unknown incumbent... Those are very common. However, to expel one is an extremely strong move that is strictly political; it's the equivalent to impeachment & removal from office. That is the actual topic being discussed; to direct the argument against something else would be something other than a move in good faith. - Nottheking (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, and that is rare, but it remains not that important, with the sum total of effect being one of 435 districts in the US does not have a representative in one of two legislative chambers. nableezy - 22:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support but suggest closure as it's clear that consensus will not develop This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Concur with suggest close I already voted further above, but my count put it at something like 9 support vs. 12 oppose, (once excluding zero/invalid rationale votes, such as "only affects the USA") which is far short of a "consensus." - Nottheking (talk) 21:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTAVOTE. Curbon7 (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Certainly interesting, but at the end of the day the removal of a backbencher who was already persona non grata is minor and insignificant. Curbon7 (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above, agree with Curbon7, his impact is confined to at-most a national scale, he's essentially a backbencher and insignificant in the broader scope. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Curbon. Disgraced domestic politician with limited influence as a representative anyways, doesn't quite have the reach for ITN notability. The Kip 22:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted RD): Sandra Day O'Connor

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Article: Sandra Day O'Connor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former U.S. Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O'Connor (pictured) dies at the age of 93. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ First female U.S. Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O'Connor (pictured) dies at the age of 93.
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DBlack2025 (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ad Orientem (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Strong Support. Incredible woman, RIP. GuardianH (talk) 18:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

First woman appointed to the US Supreme Court. This news is just breaking so updating is needed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Clarifying My nomination is for RD. I oppose a blurb. She was an important person, but not that important. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb Beat me to it. Perhaps some things need updating but is still a lengthy and well-sourced article. Jmanlucas (talk) 15:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think so. We shouldn't be blurbing every SCOTUS member death, and while we did blurb RBG, she had far more influence (as well as was still sitting). While O'Connor is notable for being the first women on the court and having her hand in a few key decisions, her influence wasn't as strong as RBG. Masem (t) 15:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think that's true, as she was at the ideological center of the Court and would be the one seeking compromise, whereas RBG being firmly on the left was frequently in the minority. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I'm looking beyond just their role as a Justice (as one can argue for any Justice that they would be important in their role on the Court, either way, but again, we should not be trying to blurb all Justices). RGB was far more influential outside of the Court. Masem (t) 16:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I think O'Connor was important both as a Justice and as a major figure in U.S. women's rights. Her decision striking down single-sex admissions in Mississippi University for Women v Hogan was a critical step in Equal Protection law. (And it was the basis for RBG's more famous, but not actually legally groundbreaking, opinion striking down single-sex admissions at VMI, United States v Virginia.) O'Connor was on TIME Magazine's list of the 25 most powerful women of the 20th Century. She was not just a Supreme Court justice, she was also an icon. RBG (to her personal surprise) became a celebrity in her last few years because some law students called her the Notorious RBG, but pre-internet female law students turned out in droves to hear O'Connor. ALKinNYC (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  While the circumstances of RBG's death were more notable, I’d say that O'Connor was more notable as a justice since she was the 1st woman on the Supreme Court & the swing vote in important cases. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  There is no signficant article update to prompt such a feature. No section on her funeral or anything like that, nothing for us to show off. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think it's typical to enter an RD as a blurb prior to the funeral. That being said, there are heavy edits being made and it could possibly make sense to wait a few hours for this one. I also believe she was immensely influential, paving the way for justices such as Ginsburg, Kagan, Sotomayor, Barrett, and Jackson. Jmanlucas (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Not a lot but a handful of CNs and uncited statements at ends of paras. Also would be nice to see the proseline-type writing style fixed in the latter part of the article but that shouldn't stop posting RD. --Masem (t) 15:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Article has been updated with news on her death.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• RD only. I agree with Masem that she was not quite as influential as RBG. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Quilty issues, but Support RD only. Once fixed, she is a perfect candidate for an RD. I'd needed convinced for blurb, other than be just the first woman on Supreme Court. TheCorriynial (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Let's not propose blurbs to American personalities for the simple fact of being American. There are almost 200 supreme courts in the world with their respective first female members. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Like -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  no one brought up this person's nationality as justification for a blurb. please try to contribute to the consensus with NPOV Belugsump (talk) 08:18, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD The remaining uncited statements are minimal (given the article length) and non-controversial. I oppose the blurb; while I typically endorse some US bias in blurbs due to the influence of American culture and politics worldwide, there is little evidence of that here. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD As much as my inner Arizonan wants a blurb, I have to concede that being the first woman on SCOTUS doesn't warrant one. We don't need two blurbs in a row being American politicians dying of old age. PolarManne (talk) 17:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - if you look at her impact compared to Kissinger's, they are probably in the same ballpark, or she might even be ahead. Simply raising the bar higher prevents contradictory outcomes. - Indefensible (talk) 17:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think they are comparable. She was a run of the mill Supreme Court justice whose principle claim to fame was being the first woman on the court. Kissinger fundamentally changed the course of world history (for good and ill). He was the most consequential Sec. of State in US history and one of the most important foreign ministers in world history. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I think you underrate O'Connor and overrate Kissinger. O'Connor was the pivotal vote on a number of issues and was in office for over 2 decades while Kissinger was only SoS for 4 years. - Indefensible (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Those four years had a lot of impact that we are still feeling to this day, especially in the Middle East and in particular Israel. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  You can't really just compare the offices held. Kissinger wasn't your average Secretary of State, just like RBG wasn't your average Justice. For O'Connor, while being the first woman on the court was an achievement, I don't think she rises to the same level. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 19:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD, she was important but not enough for a blurb. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, weak oppose blurb The article has 2 CN tags, which should be rectified first, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. We didn't blurb Dianne Feinstein, and I think O'Connor's impact is similar to hers. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 19:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD Article looks good enough. Weak support blurb Since she was the first female Supreme Court justice in the country's history. I'd support a blurb for a first female justice on any supreme court/high court of any nation. Her tenure also oversaw some landmark decisions as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support RD and blurb O'Connor opened the highest court in the United States to women, a truly enormous event in one of the most influential nations in the world, at a time when women's roles were extremely limited, both in the U.S. and globally. It was a huge deal. If you question whether this is worthy of international coverage, note that her death is currently on the front pages of El Pais, The Guardian, Le Monde, etc. That her death comes near another high-profile civil servant should be irrelevant. Girona7 (talk) 20:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb I don't think this rises to the level of a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb - First of all, article looks good to go. The fact that O'Connor was the first woman on the Supreme Court and had several notable opinions during her tenure (namely Planned Parenthood v. Casey, among others) would lead me to believe she had enough long-term significance to warrant a blurb.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support and blurb – First woman on the highest court in the USA. I second what User:Girona7 wrote above. Missvain (talk) 20:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Article is good to go, and I think that her being the first women on the Supreme Court makes it very noteworthy, like what User:Girona7 wrote. Maj. Warden (talk) 20:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - This does not rise to the level of importance we should expect to see for a blurb. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• oppose blurb, support rd - not so widely covered as a death to merit a blurb imo. think the article fine at this point too. nableezy - 21:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose Blurb - Reviewed article, and it looks to be in great shape. While she was a significant figure, she wasn't very transformative in her field (a threshold that "first woman" falls short of) which is generally the requirement for a an ITN blurb for a death after leaving said office. (dying in office is unusual, and much more likely can merit a blurb, as the death itself has serious ramifications, as was the case for Justice Ginsberg in 2020) As it stands, definitely doesn't merit a blurb, but does seem ready to speedily post to RD: a good job to everyone who worked to ensure the high quality of the article! - Nottheking (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose Blurb, per above. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Removing ready tag There's still at least one CN, one unsourced paragraph, and the list of the notable decisions she was involved needs sourcing as well. --Masem (t) 22:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per all above. The Kip 22:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)